1897 trench gun specs books

Each bayonet comes with a green steel mounted leather scabbard complete with correct hooks for the u. Ive been looking for one and cant seem to find any. Military police found that an m97 trench gun with bayonet attached was an excellent choice for guarding prisoners during world. Winchester model 1897 internet movie firearms database guns. Reserve now and allow at least 4 weeks for delivery. The serial number range for the wwii m97 winchester trench riot gun is 920,000 960,000. The wwi era guns were not originally stamped with any u. This is a discussion on 1897 trench gun reproduction within the shotguns forums, part of the gun forum category. The model 1897 is an external hammer shotgun lacking a trigger disconnector.

A comprehensive guide to the winchester model 1897. I was in a small gun shop last week, and they had a 97 trench gun for sale for 1500. American rifleman which bayonet for the 97 trench gun. It was chambered for the short 2 34inch shells only. I picked a stripped 1897 winchester receiver last month for cheap, and decided i am going to build a trench gun becasue i am not.

Interstate arms 12 ga trench gun w20 barrelbead front. The ww ii guns were all take down frames, and were marked model 97 on the barrel. This is an exact reproduction of the classic ww1 enfield m. It looked really good in the rack, but i was in somewhat of a hurry. Found one online for a good price that the seller claims is authentic. You must read this manual carefully and thoroughly in its entirety and fully understand all aspects before you can safely use your shotgun. I have always like the look of them and have an old 12 which i. I downloaded a copy of tm 9285 and have been doing some reading. The widow of the deceased owner claims that he carried it during wwii. There was one passion, however, i could never pursue while in these countries due to local governmental. Winchester model 97 shotgun military information hq. This means that the user can hold the trigger down while cycling the shotgun and once the action is returned to battery the shotgun fires.

From 1897 until 1957, over one million of these shotguns were. Some of the early models are capable of slamfiring. Mar 30, 2011 winchester 1897 disassembly posted in u. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the link above. I asked them if the price was negotiable, and the answer was no. Winchester model 1897 page 2 the firearms forum the. Im new to the forum and found an 1897 trench gun in a small gun store, but i have reservations about it. By the way, that rubber buttplate with the us and ordnance bomb is not a trench gun buttplate. The winchester model 1897, also known as the model 97, m97, or trench gun, is a. We have not seen any of these offered for the past year or so, perhaps because they are not in production. One round could be in the chamber bringing capacity to six rounds total.

We like to shoot the guns we collect at least once as we enjoy being a part of the history. Overall, the model 1897 trench gun was a smooth weapon, complete with the winchesterstyle boxy receiver now rounded out for modern times. Trench gun or even riot gun would have a shorter barrel. As popular as it was before the start of world war. Imported by iac, this is a chinese clone of the winchester model 1897. Winchester model 1897 trench gun the model 1897 was popular before world war i, but it. Heres one we bought in 2006 when they were in a mild oversupply situation, a very slick and sturdymade copy of the classic winchester 1897 riot gun in the world war i trench gun configuration, complete with heat shield and bayonet lug. The trench gun of ww1 devastating firepower at close. Of course, the standard model 97, including riot guns, remained in production for slightly more than a decade after that. The hammer spur protruded from the rear of the frame hidden in the newer model 1912 and a large ejection port was set to the right side of the receiver. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. Winchester 1897 trench gun questions if this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the link above. The winchester 1897 shotgun was manufactured from 1897 to 1957. I am starting to research its long history in the military.

Between 1897 and 1956 more than a million were produced by winchester repeating arms. While the 1897 trench gun is a fantastic collectors item,it is just that, a collectors item. Most of the ww1 model 1897 trench guns are not us marked. Distinguishing features include blued heat shield with 6 rows of 29 holes, bayonet lug, sling swivels, blue finish, 18 groove walnut fore end, walnut stock with winchester logo, and black composite butt plate. Winchester model 1897 internet movie firearms database. The real winchester riot or military guns are getting too expensive to shoot much. Just finished building an m1897 trench gun in wwi style. This is a discussion on my 1897 trench gun project within the shotguns forums, part of the gun forum category. For either a ww1 or ww2 impression the m1907 sling would be the correct sling for use on a m1897 trench gun. Here were the problems, denoted numerically as to which gun it pertains. Anybody have one of those reproduction 1897 winchesters.

The winchester model 1893 shotgun winchester arms collectors. However, the shotgun concept was fixed doctrine in the u. The winchester model 1897 and the winchester model 1893 were both designed by john browning. The shotgun itself has betterthanaverage quality for a chinesemade gun, although the blueing was marred in a couple places and the front sight was slightly off center, but those are minor issues for the price. The winchester model 1897 trench gun with a fixed bayonet was a fearsome and distinctly american weapon used by doughboys in the trenches of france. The model 1897 trench gun is an old lead dispenser indeed, but it is the great granddaddy of our modern day combat shotguns.

The trench gun, the military model, became so feared by the germans that they tried to get shotguns outlawed for use in combat and these were the guys using mustard gas. Were there military guns with no property markings. Jan 17, 2014 one other point of interest concerning the military purchased model 1897 97 riot and trench guns, is that the ww i guns were all solid frames and were marked model 1897 on the slide bar. Winchesters bad boy smoothbore model 97 riot gun gun digest. Heres a winchester model 1897 trench gun that falls within the known serial number range for those trench guns purchased by the u. Does iac no longer sell theirimported reproduction 1897 trench gun. Turner saddlery is one company that makes a quality m1907 sling. I have dated the serial number e 679xxx to 1918 but believe it could have been earlier.

I almost picked one up at the last show but dont know much about them. The trench gun of ww1 devastating firepower at close range. Hello, im doing a full restoration on a winchester 1897 and after i reblue it, id like to get a heat shieldbayonet lug assembly to give it that trench gun look. I have also talked with vietnamera marines who still used the model 12 trench gun in that conflict. Winchester shotguns model 97 for sale guns international. This small and inexpensive book has in depth coverage not found elsewhere. Seek knowledgeable instruction before attempting to use the gun if you are unsure. One other point of interest concerning the military purchased model 189797 riot and trench guns, is that the ww i guns were all solid frames and were marked model 1897 on the slide bar. Winchesters bad boy smoothbore model 97 riot gun gun.

The trench gun, the winchester model 1897, was an immensely popular shotgun. Since the op m97 is only a four digit number, it is a madeup trench gun with the military markings added later. At one time the 97 set the standard for combat shotguns. This reproduction, blued steel heat shield features the 29hole6row pattern and the flush, 6rivet mounting design. There were 19,196 trench guns sold to the us during ww1 and an estimate of 30,000 prior to 1920. The 12 gauge winchester m97, in trench gun or riot gun style, was a pumpaction shotgun with an exposed hammer and a 5 round tubular magazine beneath the 18 inch barrel. I take the kindle to gun shows with me and have info at my finger tips if i run across a trench gun and want to verify its authenticity. Norinco 97 trench gun problemsolutiongeneral info part i. With a fiveround tubular magazine fed by a helical coil spring and featuring a reliable slide action the 97 is a rugged serviceable shotgun. Modeluv redroguexiii rendertexport darthfaceman two model options for the heatshield, one with modeled on holes, and one. Having said that, the winchester model 97 is an amazing shotgun. I dont know a whole lot about these other than they look like a lot of fun, and itd make a good mate for my cmp garand.

Winchester 1897 trench gun basic take down duration. Us winchester trench and riot guns and other us combat. Winchester 1897 disassembly thompson submachine gun. Differentiating the trench gun from a standard 1897 is the heat shield atop the barrel. He decided it was time to publish a book to help others to figure out what to look for. Winchester 1897 12 ga trench gun converting your personal 1897.

Up for auction is an extremely rare winchester model 1897 diamond grade, 16ga 30 full choke, highly figured all original shotgun. I am in love with it and purchased is about 15 years ago. Heres a trench gun i bought for my dad, but was passed back to me several years ago after he. The winchester model 1897 was an evolution of the earlier model 1893, designed by john. The action is not as strong as the model 12 or any of the modern shotguns and if it goes to the range a lot sooner or later something will break.

Get the 74th edition of the worlds greatest gun book. Bert harman the winchester book george madis complete guide to. No reserve heres a winchester model 1897 trench gun that falls within the known serial number range for those trench guns purchased by the u. When encountered today, most trench guns are quite worn, showing hard battlefield use, while the riot guns used by various police departments are usually in better shape, having spent much of their time in station gun racks and patrol cars. Us winchester trench and riot guns and other us combat shotguns. Standard barrels and riot barrels will require locating notches for the bayonet lug. This is a steel reproduction that can be retrofitted to your pump action 97 winchester or similar weapon to bring it to trench gun specifications. Converting a winchester model 1897 to a trench gun. Ive been on a bit of a search for an 1897 trench gun. I am looking at a winchester 1897 trench gun made in about 1938 sn e8663xx that has no military markings. Building an m1897 trench gun part i i have spent most of my life working overseas in south east asia in very fortunate circumstances.

The winchester model 1897, also known as the model 97, m97, or trench gun, is a pumpaction shotgun with an external hammer and tube magazine manufactured by the winchester repeating arms company. There are many reproduction m1907 slings available on the market. Winchester 1897 16ga pump 28 barrel fixed full choke needs a new forend. After 1943 or so one could also consider using the web m1 sling.

Unfollow 1897 winchester to stop getting updates on your ebay feed. Nov 29, 2009 a video on how far i have gotten on this project. You can probably use the serial number to look up the date of manufacture. Page 1 of 2 winchester 1897 trench gun with no military markings posted in u. Winchesters classic m97 combat shotgun also known as the trench sweeper. American soldiers, police, and hunters all loved and used the trench gun which is the reason it remained in production for 59 years. This is an original mint condition 1935 manufacture commercial trench gun by winchester. The us and bomb mark look authentic, but it looks like at least the stock has been refinished. Its been there about a year and from what i understand they are the place to go for 97 work.

Winchester 1897 trench gun with no military markings. Winchester model 1897 military wiki fandom military wikia. Ive never been in a position to get one of these, as this was the first trench gun ive ever found for sale. The problem is that mine has a 28 inch tapered barrel and from what i understand the original trench guns had 20 inch straight barrels. The unmarked bayonet lug includes the front sling swivel, brass sight bead and attaching screws. Dec 17, 2015 according the blue book of gun values, the serial number range for the wwi m97 winchester trench riot gun is 650,000 695,000. An atypical hero emerged, the militarized winchester model 97 riot gun, a 20barrel, 12ga. Barrel is marked cyl and it looks like it had a bead on it at some time, now removed or ground down. This is a solid frame gun with 20 barrel that is factory marked cyl for cylinder bore. And the few that are have hand stamped markings on the right side of the receiver in front of the ejection port.

The winchester model 1897 was designed by the famous american firearms inventor john moses browning. This commercial trench gun built in 1920 is a relatively scarce collector grade winchester. Aug 22, 2015 page 1 of 2 winchester 1897 trench gun with no military markings posted in u. Offered is a fine high condition model 1897 winchester trench gun. A new americanmade 1897 trench gun would probaby be 2 to 3 times as expensive. Marines had also used their trench guns in shanghai, haiti, nicaragua and various other deployments between the wars.

From 1897 until 1957, over one million of these shotguns were produced. In addition the number that probably survived in the condition of this example is even scarcer. Winchester 1897 trench gun project overview youtube. Winchester model 97 trench gun winchester model 1897 % similar models vj 45 rg ii banel 2 magazine bmd bushing 3 magazine band bushing scrcws 4 magazine band 5 barrel extension 6 adjusting sleeve 7 barrel charnber ring 8 adjusting sleeve iock sqew 9 adjusting sleeve iock l0 magazine plug screws 11 mapzine end cap 12 magazine locking pin. The model 1897 was an evolution of the winchester model 1893 designed by john browning. An exact reproduction of the classic ww1 enfield m1917 bayonet with simulated ww1 dates.

According the blue book of gun values, the serial number range for the wwi m97 winchester trenchriot gun is 650,000 695,000. Originally designed for the winchester m1897 riot shotgun, this ventilated barrel jacket with bayonet lug for the m1917 bayonet, was introduced in wwi for trench warfare and used continually up through the war in vietnam. The serial number range for the wwii m97 winchester trenchriot gun is 920,000 960,000. I believe it came to canada from a batch via korea. Apr 29, 2014 winchester 1897 trench gun project overview chaostheoryfilms. While the author has tested quite a few shotguns for a new book, the pumpaction clone of the winchester 1897 is a handsdown. It is of wwii vintage, with a serial number in the 953000 range.